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    • #22335
      Taiwo Ambali Abiola
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      I have issues with the best way or the acceptable standard to calculate the DCF length. In optisystem, I saw in the Pre and Post DCF example where 24km dcf with -80 ps/nm/km dispersion co-efficient is used for 120km SMF. This means 1 DCF length is for 5km SMF. I understand the fact that DCF is designed to provide a negative dispersion coefficient for the dispersion in SMF.

      In reality, is this 1km DCF to 5km SMF the standard by all manufacturers of DCF?. I mean do they equably maintain the coeff. of -80 ps/nm/km, 0.6db attenuation and 0.21 slope as used in the optis sample. This is because I have not been able to come across any DCF datasheet. Thanks

    • #22343
      Ravil
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      Hi Taiwo,
      From my experience, in general, I would always recommend to check the specifications of all the DCF manufacturers for this dispersion coefficient. In spite of the fact that -80 ps/nm/km is the most standard value for DCF, for standard SMF it may vary due to the requirements for residual dispersion parameter in a particular design. This parameter becomes very important in WDM systems design. The attenuation, which is in dB/km, may slightly vary as well.

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    • #22346
      Ashu verma
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      Hi Taiwo,Basically it depends upon manufactrur as Ravil said.In most of the papers that i have seen value of dispersion taken is -85ps/nm/km and attenuation 0.5 db/km for dcf.Roughly ,dcf dispersion is negtive 5 times the dispersion of your SMF.If it is 16 ps/nm/km then dcf of -80ps/nm/km would be best and if you are using SMF of dispersion 17 then -85 would be best choice.Rest attenuation may vary 0.5-0.6 dB/km

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    • #22348
      Alessandro Festa
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      I agree with Ravil and Samsung’s suggestions. I also add that DCF usually has a lower core diameter than SSMF, which means that you need to be careful with nonlinear effects (for example if you put DCF in the mid-stage of an EDFA, do not go into DCF with too high power!).

    • #22350
      Taiwo Ambali Abiola
      Participant

      Thanks to you all. I really appreciate your contributions

    • #22351
      Taiwo Ambali Abiola
      Participant

      I guess the reason why DCF is usually not added to the transmission distance is because it comes in form of a module despite it is also measured in km; Am I right?

      • #22355
        Alessandro Festa
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        Hi, the reason is that, despite id may add a few dB of loss, is used in the mid-stage of an amplifier (booster or preamp) so its loss in terms of added noise is negligible.

    • #22352
      Ashu verma
      Participant

      Welcome Taiwo Ambali,,as a member its our pleasure to share our knowledge with other participents.Thank you alessandro for adding the important point regarding core diameter linked to non linearities in dcf.

    • #22356
      gaganpreet Kaur
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      Hello i think i posted it on previous forum too. length of DCF is governed by L1D1+L2D2=0 where L1 is length of transmitting fiber and D1 is its dispersion whereas L2 is DCF length with dispersion D2.
      find refrence: IEEE j. of Lightwave Technology 1999 paper by Marhic

    • #22405
      K. Esakki Muthu
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      I do agree with Ravil and Sam Sung. can any one please explain how nonlinearity arises in DCF

    • #22410
      Ashu verma
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      Hello esakkimuthu
      The main reason of the more non linearities impairments in DCF is the small effective area of DCF as compared to SMF.Generaly the Aeff area of DCF is around 22um^2 and around 80um^2 in case of SMF.The value non linear phase shift given as
      φ=2π/Λ n2 P/Aeff L
      So less the value of Aeff,more the phase shift and more the non linearities.However this also have some benefits and drawbacks in signal amplification.
      Please visit the link i have given below to read very good discussion on this particular topic

      Effective area in optical fiber

      • #35630
        Dr. Dhiman Kakati
        Participant

        Hi Sam,
        This is really a informative and to the point answer, It is going to be very much useful for my WDM system design.

        regards,
        Dhiman

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    • #22438
      Abhishek Shrama
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      Hello!!
      I agree with explainations given above.
      Dispersion and FWM are inversely related. value od dispersion in DCF is usually taken -85ps/nm/km which adds to non linear impairments.
      Check the following links for specific content and research:

      http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQFjAAahUKEwjZ8IXE8tzGAhViHKYKHVypBn8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciencedirect.com%2Fscience%2Farticle%2Fpii%2FS0030402609003295&ei=ejGmVdnLNuK4mAXc0pr4Bw&usg=AFQjCNHCQ8DM6BrbJF9J9vOZN8LHjE4awg&sig2=RYR-2BUeXyun2IUuakNJQg&bvm=bv.97653015,d.dGY

    • #22439
      Abhishek Shrama
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    • #22543
      Taiwo Ambali Abiola
      Participant

      Thanks a lot all for your contributions

    • #22551
      Ashu verma
      Participant

      Welcome Taiwo,its always pleasurable to participate in discussion and share knowlegde with all the forum participants .your topic are always intersting and good for discussion as we can learn many things from other forum members.Also thanks to Ravil and Alessandro for making such a good points.

    • #35705
      Ranjeet Kumar
      Participant

      Hi Taiwo Ambali Abiola,
      I will suggest you to please refer to optisystem library component pdf file where you will various standard values of different parameters in the heading WDM design.
      AS DCFs are highly nonlinear heavily-doped fibers with small effective areas.
      The condition for perfect dispersion compensation is D1
      D1L1+D2L2 = 0
      i.e., its length should be chosen to satisfy
      L2 = – (D1/D2) L1
      Where D1 and D2 are the fiber dispersions of SMF and
      DCF respectively. L1 and L2 are lengths. Thus the DCF has a large negative value of D2.

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      • #35736
        Dr. Dhiman Kakati
        Participant

        Hello Ranjeet Kumar,
        Thank you so much for providing Some more valuable information about the disadvantages of using DCF in WDM systems, Can you suggest me which dispersion compensation technique would be best to implement in WDM/DWDM system. Thanking you.

        Regards,
        Dhiman

    • #35716
      SAHIL SINGH
      Participant

      Hi Ranjeet Kumar,

      This query seems to be raised almost a year and i dont believe that it would be yet to addressed but anyways thanks for the information..

      Regards
      Sahil Singh

    • #35731
      umer syed
      Participant

      hi all
      the total diispersion along the length should be equla to the zero for the complete dispersion…
      Dsmf*Lsmf+Ddcf*Lcf = 0
      i.e., DCF length should be chosen so as to to satisfy zero tola dispersion..
      Ldcf = – (Dsmf/Ddcf) Lsmf
      Where Dsmf and Ddcf represents the fiber dispersion coefficients of SMF and
      DCF respectively.

      how there is again such condition for the dispersion slope….the total diispersion slope along the length should be equla to the zero for the complete dispersion
      with regards

      +1
      • #35739
        Dr. Dhiman Kakati
        Participant

        Hello Umer Syed,
        will please elaborate this point taking one example or reference, so that I am able to understand the full point.

        Regards,
        Dhiman

    • #38760
      umer ashraf wani
      Participant

      FOR WDM one have to analyze dispersion wrt center frequency

    • #38859
      Rajguru M. Mohan
      Participant

      Hi,
      I agree to the points of Ranjeet that “length of DCF is governed by L1D1+L2D2= 0 where L1 is length of transmitting fiber and D1 is its dispersion whereas L2 is DCF length with dispersion D2”.
      This is actual formula for calculating length of DCF, from this formula you will find dispersion parameters of DCF as negative.
      Thanks

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