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May 29, 2015 at 1:43 pm #21238Maciej NowackiParticipant
Hi,
I have made RoF with QPSK modulation but it doesn’t work. Could you help me ? OscilloscopeVisualizer_2 doesn’t show anything but Electrical Constellation Visualizer_1 gives nice results.
Best Regards
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May 30, 2015 at 5:11 am #21256Abhishek ShramaParticipant
Hello maicej
Which version of optisystem you are using? It is better to use new version of optisystem beceause there is DSP component in new Qpsk system ,which is useful for signal non linearity and dispersion compensation.Here i have given a link for better understanding of QPSK DSP component system.Also some discussion on this topic already done,i am also giving links of forum topics -
June 1, 2015 at 3:39 pm #21294Maciej NowackiParticipant
Hello
I’m using Optiwave 13 but I’m doing the simplest version of ROF with QPSK. It’s only for seminar at university.
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June 2, 2015 at 12:18 am #21313Damian MarekParticipant
Hello Maciej,
There were a couple small problems with your project.
1) The low pass filter for your OFDM Demod was not set correctly, so I changed the cutoff frequency to the symbol rate.
2) The symbol rate was also incorrect for your simulation so I changed it to Bit rate/2
3) The decision component should be set to a threshold of only 0 and values of -1 and 1. After changing these options I got good results.Attached is the augmented project. Cheers!
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June 4, 2015 at 7:01 am #21382Maciej NowackiParticipant
Hello,
Thanks Damian! You have big beer on me. But I have one more question. I have been trying to measure BER but my system doesn’t work. I got very wird results. Could you help me ? I have been trying change place of BER analyzer to everywhere but it doesn’t work.
Cheers
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June 8, 2015 at 11:12 am #21481Damian MarekParticipant
Using higher modulation formats it is not advised to use the BER Analyzer to calculate the BER. Your main options are to use the BER Test Set to test a long sequence of bits through your system, or to use the constellation visualization, which can give you an error vector magnitude and symbol error rate.
Regards
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June 22, 2015 at 2:07 am #21840Alessandro FestaParticipant
Hi Damian, just one curiosity: so you suggest to use BER Analyzer for simple modulation formats (like standard PAM NRZ, RZ) and BER Test tests for higher modulation formats (QAM, PSK…)?
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June 22, 2015 at 9:09 am #21858Damian MarekParticipant
Yes! The BER Analyzer calculates the BER from the generated eye diagram of the system. Higher modulation formats like QPSK and 64 QAM do not have traditional eye diagrams because the amplitude and phase are being modulated. In this case the analog would be using the Constellation Diagrams to calculate the error vector magnitude and symbol error rate.
The BER Test Set can still be used to find the straight BER though since it does a simple comparison between input and output.
Regards
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June 22, 2015 at 9:16 am #21859Alessandro FestaParticipant
Thanks Damian for clarifing this point!
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June 8, 2015 at 12:01 pm #21488Ajay VyasParticipant
Yes Damaian you right.
Thanks to correct our error. I have same mistake in my project . Is there any relation between the constellation diagram and eye diagram.
It is necessary if we get the good constellation diagram it mean that the eye diagram should be clear?
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June 21, 2015 at 5:41 am #21834Maciej NowackiParticipant
Hello
Do you have any samples using BER test set(analog system) ? I have used BER test in my project but It doesn’t work. Could you look into my project ?
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June 22, 2015 at 10:01 am #21861Damian MarekParticipant
If you check the OFDM samples given along with OptiSystem they should all have BER Test Sets. Just look in the Advanced Modulation folder of examples.
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June 22, 2015 at 3:46 pm #21868Maciej NowackiParticipant
My BER test set still doesn’t work. Could you give me a hint where the problem is ? Whole system is working but BER doesn’t show anything.
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June 24, 2015 at 1:35 pm #21891Maciej NowackiParticipant
I have made it but my system works up to 1,2 km. Am I right that it is too short ? Dispersion destroys my signal very much.
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June 25, 2015 at 2:17 am #21904Alessandro FestaParticipant
Hi Maciej,
first of all, your sequence length is too short in my opinion (32bit only, I would increase to 1024 for more reliable BER results). If you increase the sequence length, you will notice that BER is not good even at shorter length…
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June 25, 2015 at 11:10 am #21912Maciej NowackiParticipant
Do you know where should I look for problem ? Previously I had BER analyzer but I got BER about e-30 for 200km link. Should I look for problem in BER test or in system ?
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June 25, 2015 at 11:42 am #21914Alessandro FestaParticipant
So you are saying that the system works with BER Analyzer, but does not work with BER Test Set?
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June 25, 2015 at 12:50 pm #21918Maciej NowackiParticipant
Not exactly. I think that BER Analyzer gives too good results. I got BER about e-30 for 200 km long link.
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June 29, 2015 at 9:51 am #21990Damian MarekParticipant
This is why I mentioned above that you should not use the BER Analyzer for higher modulation formats. Generally, people make the mistake of converting the signal to binary and attaching a BER Analyzer, which will not work. This is because at one point you will need some type of threshold detector to convert back to binary and this will recreate a “perfect” binary representation that the BER Analyzer will interpret as a “perfect” eye diagram, even if the threshold detector incorrectly detected a symbol.
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June 26, 2015 at 2:04 am #21928Alessandro FestaParticipant
Ok now I understand. I think that if you post both the layouts in the same file (BER Analyzer & BER Tests sets) we could help.
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June 27, 2015 at 7:49 am #21965Maciej NowackiParticipant
I have posted file with 3 layouts. All different layouts have problem with BER analyzer.
Thanks very much!
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June 29, 2015 at 2:59 am #21982Alessandro FestaParticipant
I am seeing that BER is bad on layouts 1 and 2, but it is 1E-36 on layout 3…is this the same result you are seeing?
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June 29, 2015 at 3:50 pm #21997Maciej NowackiParticipant
Yes but for layout 3 and optical fiber lenght of 220 km. I have BER around 2.30 e^-45. I think that it is too good BER.Do you share my opinion ?
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June 30, 2015 at 2:23 am #22009Alessandro FestaParticipant
I understand and verified your point with 220km. But please note that you have a very limited bitrate in your system (only 19Mb/s), so I would not exclude a good BER at such a low bitrate!
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