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Difference in results in different layouts

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@Damian
I am facing a problem with my system. Whenever I make a duplicate copy of system and simulate it, the results on BER analyzer gets changed. even I have unchecked the random seed generation still the problem persists and I noticed a changes from 0.1 to even 5 in quality factor.
I am not able to make graphs due to this problem. Even I checked in some of examples in Samples the problem lies there also.
What is the reason that when I duplicate a layout or even select all and paste it onto a new layout the results change.
What to do to overcome this problem and make graphs accurately.
I am attaching the file in attachment. Please do reply me fast.

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    • #21120
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      Abhishek Shrama
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      @Damian
      I am facing a problem with my system. Whenever I make a duplicate copy of system and simulate it, the results on BER analyzer gets changed. even I have unchecked the random seed generation still the problem persists and I noticed a changes from 0.1 to even 5 in quality factor.
      I am not able to make graphs due to this problem. Even I checked in some of examples in Samples the problem lies there also.
      What is the reason that when I duplicate a layout or even select all and paste it onto a new layout the results change.
      What to do to overcome this problem and make graphs accurately.
      I am attaching the file in attachment. Please do reply me fast.

    • #21136
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      Damian Marek
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      You correctly disabled the generate random seed for the bit sequence generator, but there are other sources of random noise in your system. For example, the Laser and Photodetector PIN.

      Regards

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    • #21150
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      Abhishek Shrama
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      Thankyou Damian.
      It solved my problem. but is it authentic to disable all noises(Signal- ASE, ASE-ASE, Thermal and shot noise) ?
      and what is the I have one more doubt regarding it. The noise generation is random. Then why does it not change everytime I simulate the system and changes only when I change the layout?
      and What should I prefer? whether drawing graphs with random readings or disabling all the noises and the take the readings?

      • #21155
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        Alessandro Festa
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        Have you tried to increase the sequence length?

      • #21168
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        Damian Marek
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        My simulation changes with each calculation if I have the generate new seed box checked. It might be possible that you are using an older version of OptiSystem?

        Regards

        • #21175
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          Alessandro Festa
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          Hi Damian, if you increase the sequence length to 512 the change between iterations becomes very small…is this correct?

        • #21176
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          Damian Marek
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          The variations will become smaller, but how small depends on the actual BER of the system. A noisier system will be more susceptible to random changes in the noise and there will be larger fluctuations in the calculated BER.

        • #21189
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          Alessandro Festa
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          Ok thanks Damian!

        • #21192
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          Abhishek Shrama
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          Thankyou damian. You are always so very helpful.
          It solved the problem. I was missing out the random seed boxes checked in PIN and laser. Thats why I was getting results changed everytime. Now I got over it and getting constant results.

    • #21373
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      GURINDER SINGH
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      I am also getting same problem…. random seed index have to be made zero??????

    • #21374
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      Abhishek Shrama
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      yes GURINDER you have to uncheck the random seed generation not only from PRBS but also from all components like PIN LASER etc. Then you will get constant results to make decisions.

    • #21386
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      GURINDER SINGH
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      okk….i have unchecked it….is the random seed index also made to be zero in each case??

    • #21399
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      K. Esakki Muthu
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      Thank you Guys, I too got the same problem and now I got cleared my doubt.

      Thanks to the optisystem forum

    • #21401
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      GURINDER SINGH
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      have u made random seed index also zero?????

    • #21402
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      Abhishek Shrama
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      Hello Gurinder,You can make the value of random seed generator zero.If you will have same problem ater setting seed to zero then do same as Damian wrote in previous reply.

    • #21445

      same problem goes here!!!!!

    • #21458
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      Abhishek Shrama
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      @ MohammadMahdi Ariannejad
      Please read the discussion above and follow the steps of switching off the random seed generation from generators of random noise.

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