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BER is 0 but messy Constellation

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Hi everybody,
I would like to know the reason why the constellation visualizer shows messy constellation while the BER Test set shows BER=0.
The snapshot is attached herein.
Thank you.

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    • #28295
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      Gokul Boro .
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      Hi everybody,
      I would like to know the reason why the constellation visualizer shows messy constellation while the BER Test set shows BER=0.
      The snapshot is attached herein.
      Thank you.

    • #28296
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      Gokul Boro .
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      Sorry, the snapshot could not be attached in the topic. The snapshot is attached in this comment.

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      • #28318
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        Damian Marek
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        I remember seeing this a while back when I was doing something wrong! I don’t remember exactly what it was, but I think it was a setting in the Constellation Visualizer, right-click and go to Component Properties. It might not have the proper bit rate or symbol rate, or the constellation type is not correct.

        Try making sure all those settings are correct. I tend to always trust the results of the BER Test Set since it is a fairly simple component, so the error must be somewhere else.

        Cheers!

    • #28298
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      Abdallah Ismail
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      I think that I faced that problem with PM-QPSK. check Polarization De-Multiplexing using DSP.
      BER is zero because all the samples are in the right corners.

    • #28308
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      Gokul Boro .
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      Hi Abdallah thank you for your reply.
      do you mean that I need to add DSP block to my system?

    • #28311
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      Abdallah Ismail
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      Sure

    • #28312
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      Abdallah Ismail
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      It is a very important part in your system.
      Also at first remove all impairments like noise from the system.

    • #28313
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      Gokul Boro .
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      Thank yor Abdallah.
      But sir I am trying to implement the system going through a journal paper. In that paper there is nothing mentioned about DSP block. It seems that the result if fine without using this block. Also I have seen the constellation to be messy only at the Visualizer. When I checked the graphs of the OFDM block at the project browser, the constellation is fine. Is this a problem with the visualizer or design itself.

    • #28314
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      Abdallah Ismail
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      I’m not sure.
      If you are working on back to back system, you may not need to DSP. Otherwise, the DSP may be important as the fiber length increase.

    • #28315
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      Gokul Boro .
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      Yes, I am working on back to back system at the initial stage.

    • #28319
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      Gokul Boro .
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      Hi Damien thanks for replying and what you suggested worked.
      As you have mentioned I have made the reference bit rate similar to that of the BER Test Set and it worked. Now the constellation points are so much clear that it completely matches with the constellation in the Tx section. It proves that the BER Test Set is showing a reliable reading. Now can a back to back optical communication system have such response?

      • #28320
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        Damian Marek
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        Great! In a simulation it can, but realistically of course there is always a source of distortion or noise. There can be distortion from the modulators which will give an unevenly spaced constellation because of the non-linearity of the mach zehnder modulators. There can also be noise introduced by the PIN photo-diodes at the receiver side etc..

    • #28340
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      Gokul Boro .
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      Thank you once more damien.
      i would like to know one more thing related to constellation diagram. There is difference between the constellation diagram in the constellation visualizer and that of the OFDM block constellation viewed from the project browser. Which one is to be considered now among these two? Or both are correct? The snapshot is attached.

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      • #28346
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        alistu
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        Hi Gokul,

        OptiSystem 13 OFDM components have the capability of decision making based on decision boundaries in signal space. So in any case, the output signal of the OFDM demodulator will be aligned the way shown in your right image. However, you can see the signal constellation before decision making step in project browser.

        Regards

    • #28347
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      Gokul Boro .
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      Thank you Alistu. By signal constellation before decision making, did you mean the constellation before channel estimation? Now what I wanted to know was that, why the constellation in the visualizer is different from that of OFDM seen from project browser? After Pilot symbols and carrier phase estimation block, there is Decision, EVM and SER computation block. But does that block cause the signal to be so perfect?

      • #28350
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        You’re welcome Gokul. No, channel estimation is another stage imposed before the decision stage. The decision making that I am referring to is just to decide which of the 16 constellation points (in your case) is the position of the signal (after channel estimation and so on), based on which position the symbol is closest to. Your left image is the stage after channel estimations and so on, and the right one the one after decision making.

    • #28354
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      Gokul Boro .
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      Thank you Alistu. But, How do I do that?

      • #28356
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        alistu
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        You’re welcome. You have been using OptiSystem OFDM component to get the result, so there is nothing left for you to do since the block does all the stages (the OFDM blocks in OptiSystem 13). Using constellation visualizer at the output of OptiSystem 13 OFDM demodulator does not give much information, and it is better to see it in project browser like you did.

    • #28361
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      Gokul Boro .
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      Ok. Thank you Alistu. So I can rely on the results of the Constellation diagram that can be seen from the Project Browser (OFDM Component).

      • #28363
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        alistu
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        You’re welcome Gokul. Yes indeed.

        Regards

    • #28381
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      May I know the different between the three OFDM mod/demod components id Optisystem 13

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