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Damian Marek.
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November 9, 2014 at 11:22 am #15118
Fady
ParticipantWhy the BER equals 0 in all coherent OFDM examples in the dvanced modulation Folder !
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November 9, 2014 at 1:02 pm #15120
Ravil
ParticipantAre you using the scheme from Optiwave website?
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November 9, 2014 at 1:55 pm #15121
Jaffar Emad Kadum
ParticipantOFDM system can support very long distances over optical link up to 2500 km, try to increase the length of the optical link in these examples and the BER will be increased as well.
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November 9, 2014 at 9:56 pm #15123
Ravil
ParticipantAgree with Jaffar. Try to examine dependence of BER on distance and transmission speed increase.
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November 9, 2014 at 9:57 pm #15124
Ravil
ParticipantPlease, let me know about your progress!
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November 10, 2014 at 9:25 am #15137
Damian Marek
ParticipantThe BER visualizers are in “Measured” operating mode. This means that it directly compares an input signal to the transmitted signal and counts the errors. The sequence lengths are set to 16384 bits, which makes it hard to estimate BER values smaller than 1/16384. You can try increasing the sequence length, which will increase the simulation time or change the lengths of the fibers to introduce more distortion.
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November 10, 2014 at 2:56 pm #15158
Fady
ParticipantThanks for your replies. I have tried both increasing the sequence length and increasing the length but without success. Increasing the length will give MIN BER of 0 and reducing the length will give a MIN BER of 1.
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November 12, 2014 at 8:50 am #15250
Damian Marek
ParticipantWhat length are you changing the fiber to? I get the expected min BER of 0 for short lengths.
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November 12, 2014 at 1:18 pm #15291
Fady
ParticipantThanks for your reply. I have made length sweep from 50 to 100 km, I got min BER of 0 for lengths from 50 km to around 75km then I got minBER of 1 for longer lengths.
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November 13, 2014 at 10:03 am #15341
Damian Marek
ParticipantThis is not entirely unexpected as the longer fiber lengths leads to more loss and noise. However, the sharp drop off of the BER from 0 to 1 suggests that at one point the OFDM demodulator is completely wrong at detecting the input. This suggests to me that the delay of the optical signal is large enough (from the length), so that the demodulator is misinterpreting the symbols of the constellation diagram, because of this phase shift. This sensitivity is a problem with the OFDM demodulator and one the OptiSystem team is fixing in the next update coming later this year.
You might be able to work through this by changing the delay compensation parameter in the OFDM Demodulator manually.
Regards
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November 16, 2014 at 2:44 pm #15674
Fady
ParticipantThanks for your response but what are typical values should I try for the delay compensation parameter in the OFDM Demodulator?
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November 16, 2014 at 3:04 pm #15677
Ravil
ParticipantI don’t think BER should change as gradually. By the way, Fady, what is the bit rate in a channel of the system? Did you keep it the same for both scenario?
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November 17, 2014 at 9:14 am #15693
Fady
ParticipantI kept it as in the example 10Gbps
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November 17, 2014 at 6:04 pm #15712
Ravil
ParticipantFor this bit rate both distances should work fine in terms of BER with OFDM from theoretical point of view. Did you try to tune delay compensation parameter?
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November 18, 2014 at 2:24 am #15715
Fady
ParticipantI tried several values but without success
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November 18, 2014 at 2:42 am #15716
Jaffar Emad Kadum
ParticipantDear Fady
Attach the example file that you you are working with and I will try to modify it
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November 18, 2014 at 3:57 am #15718
Jaffar Emad Kadum
ParticipantOptical OFDM is very sensitive to all simulation parameters, here I attached the variation of BER with number of loops in my OFDM system which are varied from 30 to 42 loops, each loop consist from 80 km SMF and 16 km DCF with their optical amplifiers.
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November 18, 2014 at 3:27 pm #15748
Fady
ParticipantThanks Jaffar, I am working on the example of coherent OFDM in the advanced modulation folder in optisystems samples.
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November 26, 2014 at 5:47 am #16143
Fady
ParticipantCould you please post any example where you get good BER results as all BER resulsts of the examples in the samples folder are not useful.
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November 26, 2014 at 5:47 am #16144
Fady
ParticipantCould you please post any example where you get good BER results as all BER results of the examples in the samples folder are not useful.
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November 26, 2014 at 6:12 am #16145
Jaffar Emad Kadum
ParticipantHi Fady
I attached you an UWB-OFDM WDM system and it is working very good. you can remove the UWB channel and work with OFDM system
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November 26, 2014 at 11:31 am #16157
Fady
ParticipantThanks Jaffar, but the Min BER in your system is 0.496 with or without UWB.
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December 3, 2014 at 2:53 pm #16371
Damian Marek
ParticipantHi Fady,
Using Jaffar’s project I get a low Ber of 1e-18. Which version of OptiSystem are you using?
Regards
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November 26, 2014 at 12:23 pm #16158
Jaffar Emad Kadum
ParticipantDear Fadi
I got the results above from this file which is built using OpitSystem 13.0. Check your simulation I dont know where is the error -
December 4, 2014 at 4:34 am #16395
Fady
ParticipantHi Damian,
The results were obtained using optisystem 13. Thanks-
December 4, 2014 at 3:22 pm #16404
Damian Marek
ParticipantHave you changed any of the layout parameters? It still doesn’t work?
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December 8, 2014 at 1:55 pm #16448
Fady
ParticipantI have not changed any parameter, it is still not working. Thanks
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December 9, 2014 at 8:46 am #16489
Damian Marek
ParticipantHi Fady,
Could you take a screenshot of the simulation with the BER result circled?
Regards
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December 10, 2014 at 12:31 pm #16600
Fady
ParticipantThanks Damian, Please find the attached screenshot of the BER result.
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December 11, 2014 at 8:48 am #16612
Damian Marek
ParticipantCan you attach it as a jpeg or png please?
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December 13, 2014 at 2:50 pm #16692
Fady
ParticipantPlease find the attached jpeg screenshot
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December 15, 2014 at 8:51 am #16719
Damian Marek
ParticipantAh ok, I was looking at the UWB receiver. In this case I would set the BER Analyzer to use the Measured algorithm, because the eye diagram won’t give you an accurate BER estimation. The reason being the binary sequence has been regenerated at the output, since you can’t really view the eye diagram of an OFDM signal.
If you look at the eye diagram you will notice that it is a “perfect” eye diagram with no deviation and no noise. In this case the BER estimation will not reflect reality.
Cheers
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