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June 24, 2014 at 5:14 am #12128Ajay VyasParticipant
Hello All
I am working on radio over fiber. I am sending 1GHz 64 QAM Rf signal for the length of 1000 km. At receiving side the constellation diagram is attached, What is significance or meaning of this type constellation diagram. -
June 24, 2014 at 9:57 am #12135Damian MarekParticipant
Hi,
It looks like a PSK type modulation scheme. Does the transmission side have the same circular type constellation diagram?
Regards
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June 25, 2014 at 2:31 am #12142Ajay VyasParticipant
no sir, in tranmitter side we have 64 QAM cansetellation daigram
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June 25, 2014 at 8:51 am #12153Damian MarekParticipant
Could you please attach your project file? The constellation looks too ordered to be a result of a noise source.
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June 25, 2014 at 9:46 pm #12164Ajay VyasParticipant
Thanks
Please find the attached project file-
June 26, 2014 at 9:28 am #12172Damian MarekParticipant
I tried out your project and there was one or two problems I saw. First of all I didn’t get the ordered circular signal at the receiver side. I got a very noisy QAM signal with an almost random distribution. The problem here is the implementation of the Laser source. If you are going to use the measured component then it cannot be run in digital mode, because the input signal is not as simple as a digital signal. You will also need to provide an electrical bias to the input signal and attenuation so that Laser is operating above threshold and below saturation (Max power). Try playing around with the Laser source and look at the optical signal until you can get a cleaner output.
Hope this helps!
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June 27, 2014 at 10:58 pm #12192Ajay VyasParticipant
Thanks
I make changes as per ypur guideline, but still not got the cleaner out put, I am trying again. When i increase the length of fiber 1000km then I got Circular constellation diagram for 64 QA.-
June 30, 2014 at 11:11 am #12206Damian MarekParticipant
You might also want to try using a CW Laser and a Mach Zehnder modulator, so that the input signal is less distorted by chirp (and saturation/threshold effects). Once the transmission link is working you can change to directly modulated laser source.
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July 4, 2014 at 9:42 pm #12256Ajay VyasParticipant
Thanks for you suggestion. I was change the CW inplace of DML. There is improvement at receving side & I again used DML with your suugested parameters there was also some improvment in Magnitute. But still need for some improvment please let me know for further action
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July 9, 2014 at 8:32 pm #12292Ajay VyasParticipant
Hello Sir,
Please suggest me modification to get 64QAm recevied signal , I got received signal as attached-
July 10, 2014 at 10:20 am #12302Damian MarekParticipant
Could you please attach your most up-to-date project file with the CW Laser?
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July 10, 2014 at 10:28 pm #12323Ajay VyasParticipant
Please find the update project file
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July 11, 2014 at 10:29 am #12341Damian MarekParticipant
Ok so there are few changes you should make:
1) The Mach-Zehnder Modulator automatically normalizes the electrically input, so the gain and bias components are not really doing anything. The same goes for the gain on the output. However, you can keep them there if you want.
2) The real problem is the Low Pass Filter in the Quadrature Demodulator, you should play around with this value to get better results. I was getting pretty good constellations for a cutoff frequency of 50-100 MHz.
You might also want to create your own demodulator circuit so you can see view the spectrum before the filter. Double click the Quadrature Demodulator and look at the help file to see how it is built.
Hope this helps!
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July 14, 2014 at 8:46 pm #12372Ajay VyasParticipant
Thanks for your valuble suggestions. I got very good result for CW in case of 64 QAM & for Direct Modulated Laser in case of 4 QAM, but for Direct Modulated Laser in case of 64 QAM. I am attached all results. Please let me know how i can get good result for 64 QAM
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July 18, 2014 at 1:55 pm #12575Damian MarekParticipant
The problem with using a directly modulated laser source for QAM, especially 64 QAM, is that they inherently introduce a lot of phase noise and also a chirp across each pulse. For QAM, where phase coherence is very important to the signal integrity, I don’t see a very simple solution to this problem. Now there might be a way to compensate for the chirp over each pulse, but this is not my area of expertise.
I did read an article recently on mitigating chirp in directly modulated lasers:
A. Karar, M. Yañez, Y. Jiang, J. Cartledge, J. Harley, and K. Roberts, “Electronic dispersion pre-compensation for 10.709-Gb/s using a look-up table and a directly modulated laser,” Opt. Express 19, B81-B89 (2011).
But again even this paper was for NRZ, where phase information plays a lesser role. However, if you figure out a way for reliably transmitting QAM with a directly modulated laser source, I’m sure you will have a bright future in academia!
Good luck!
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July 25, 2014 at 9:02 pm #12946Ajay VyasParticipant
Thanks for your suggestions & guidance . I made changes with the combination of bias voltage, phase & magnitude> I got some improve result for 16 QAM using direct modulated laser for radio over fiber link & 64 QAM for the same. I attached those result. Please let me know if you have any reference or recommdation for optimization
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November 16, 2015 at 6:53 am #27709karthikeyanParticipant
hi ajay……. i m doing the research about same field, i need to share something with u…. pls help and send your mail id
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August 2, 2014 at 9:31 am #13049Selvendran SParticipant
try to implement the CML concept, it may helpful to u to controlled the phase related noise … but i don’t know exactly
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August 4, 2014 at 9:04 pm #13073Ajay VyasParticipant
Do you mean by continuous modulated Laser? i am alredy try with CML but I have to work with DML… Thanks
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August 5, 2014 at 12:58 am #13074Selvendran SParticipant
No, Chirp-Managed Directly Modulated Laser (CML) is a special kind source to mitigates the dispersion in a fiber for long reach PON network.
CML is nothing but combutination of (DML Laser + Passive Optical Filter)…
As per Reply #12575 the problem is raised from the phase noise or chrip of DML laser mean, CML can be a better alternate to rectify your problem.herewith i have attached some journal papers regarding Chirp-Managed Directly Modulated Laser for your reference… all the best for your research..
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October 10, 2014 at 9:12 pm #14157Ajay VyasParticipant
I try with CML but still pphase noise is raise please let me know
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August 8, 2016 at 4:49 pm #41099Chandana SParticipant
Hello,
I am implementing CO-OFDM MIMO system using spatial CW laser. I am getting a constellation diagram as below. Can any one help me fix the issue?
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November 28, 2016 at 6:14 am #41729muhammad asifParticipant
i have implemented the same system using fso ,i have got good contellation at the out output nut the problem is, BER is 1 which shows the system is not working correctly how could i resolve this problem.
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November 30, 2016 at 6:44 am #41765Ajay VyasParticipant
I am facing the same problem with consellation diagram
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